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Thursday, June 25, 2009

What's More Annoying?

Perhaps this will be the first in a series of posts. The possibilities are endless.

What's more annoying?

The guy from Longgiland who went to an MO school but now davens for the amud with a fake Israeli accent or the guy from Longgiland who went to an MO school and then Yeshiva for a couple of years and now davens for the amud with the whole Yeshivish "oy" thing going?

Tough call.

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  • At 10:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Wow. I'm so glad to see someone else is peeved by this. We had a guy this morning who got an Aliyah and put on this random Israeli accent for the Brachos, then was MO when he added a name for Mi Shebeirach. Really bizarre.

     
  • At 11:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The guy who pretends to be Israeli. Hands down more annoying.

     
  • At 11:07 AM, Anonymous tnspr569 said…

    It's a draw.

     
  • At 12:24 PM, Blogger Special Ed said…

    I pretty much have the urge to punch both in the face.

     
  • At 12:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    None of the above. It's the fake Yeshivish machmir Baal Koreh you run into in some places who leyns with the Sefardi guttural "ayin."

     
  • At 3:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    With all the haredi rabbis at "MO" schools, I wouldn't be surprised if picked up the ois there.

     
  • At 4:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I practice serenity and am annoyed by neither.
    Jenny

     
  • At 5:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    No, no, it's the yeshivish guy who's "machmir" on his dikduk by emphasizing the last syllable of EVERY word, including where it's wrong and sounds idiotic (...chaNUN hamarBEH lisloyACH and so on).

     
  • At 6:07 PM, Blogger SuperRaizy said…

    The Israeli accent guy. Definitely.

     
  • At 6:10 PM, Blogger Still Wonderin' said…

    That's nothing.

    I once heard a VERY Chassidishe Rov* in a VERY Chassidishe Shteibel in Brooklyn unconsciously "mispronounce" a word during Chazaras Hashatz in what I'm sure is the traditional Misnagdishe dialect of his youth.

    The annoying part is that it took a split second for him to reflexively correct his "mispronunciation" by repeating the word in classic chassido-babble.



    Did I mention that he was VERY Chassidishe?

     
  • At 6:11 PM, Blogger Still Wonderin' said…

    "No, no, it's the yeshivish guy who's "machmir" on his dikduk by emphasizing the last syllable of EVERY word, including where it's wrong and sounds idiotic (...chaNUN hamarBEH lisloyACH and so on)."

    haha

     
  • At 7:05 PM, Blogger Erachet said…

    The Israeli accent one. I can't stand it when people put on fake accents and take themselves seriously while doing so.

     
  • At 8:06 PM, Blogger ThePeoplesChamp said…

    The Israeli thing is much worse. To them the whole dialect thing is more of a statement and cultural movement away from the "old fashioned"ways.
    The other dude is just trying to be more religious.

     
  • At 8:47 PM, Anonymous Jersey guy said…

    The real winner is when these guys are just into their flip out and their havarah is still "in transition". Like when they "oi" but the sephardic "suf" (taf) is still hanging around. C'mon boys, choose a team, any team LOL

     
  • At 9:51 PM, Blogger Honestly Frum said…

    couldn's agree more. both are equaly as annoying

     
  • At 10:11 AM, Blogger Mrs. S. said…

    Neither.
    It's the born and bred Israeli - living here in Israel - who suddenly decides to
    start davening a pseudo-Ashkenazis...

     
  • At 5:57 PM, Anonymous Jersey guy said…

    Mrs. S...You win

     
  • At 10:29 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    I seem to have struck a chord. Glad I'm not alone.

     
  • At 2:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "No, no, it's the yeshivish guy who's "machmir" on his dikduk by emphasizing the last syllable of EVERY word, including where it's wrong and sounds idiotic (...chaNUN hamarBEH lisloyACH and so on)."

    "haha"

    You must mean "haHA"

     
  • At 3:39 PM, Blogger Lion of Zion said…

    funny comments on this post.

    "With all the haredi rabbis at "MO" schools, I wouldn't be surprised if picked up the ois there."

    my 4-year-old goes to a pseudo-MO school. my wife didn't understand why he kept on called a fish "dog"


    "It's the fake Yeshivish machmir Baal Koreh you run into in some places who leyns with the Sefardi guttural "ayin.""

    just for the record, the gemara indicates that one must differentiate between aleph and ayin.

    (yes, a fake israeli here)

     
  • At 3:41 PM, Blogger Lion of Zion said…

    tangentially related:

    http://agmk.blogspot.com/2009/06/ashkenazis-vs-sefaradit-or-pesach-i.html

     
  • At 12:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    your rebbe always told us in yeshivah that it is assur for an ashkenazi to use the sefardit and vice versa

     
  • At 4:14 PM, Anonymous Scott said…

    The annoying thing about the yeshivishe guy isn't the "oy" but the fact that he sings intentionally flat, with a moan in his voice, like a Jewish blues singer. That's OK, I guess, for the sadder portions of the service, but it becomes hard to take in, say, Hallel.

     
  • At 8:50 AM, Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der ┼íteg) said…

    why are you all assuming that these people didn't naturally pick up their accents over time? for instance, having many israeli hebrew teachers causes people who have linguistic talent to pick up a more israeli-sounding accent. it's like learning any other language and picking up the accent of the native speakers who teach you.

     
  • At 3:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    As someone who did not grow up in the MO community, someone will one day have to explain to me the half- Israeli havarah that is taught at the ivrit b'ivrit schools. It's not quite an Israeli accent and it seems like it was just invented by someone at one point.

     
  • At 1:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I think it depends on which community the person wants to live in. If he wants to remain in a MO community and use his "new" accent it is done mostly for the attention which he has clearly gotten here. However, if he has moved to a charedi community and wishes to use his "new" accent, why would anyone have a problem with that? He just wishes to fit in. The fake israeli accent should also be acceptable if a person chooses to live in Israel, but if he has chosen to live in his american MO community, he is doing it for the attention.

     
  • At 2:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I don't understand the person who hates on Chareidi Rabbeim in MO schools. If you want a child to pronounce things a certain way, then demand that the Rabbeim speak in a certain way as Ashkenazi Rabbeim are told to do in Sefardic schools.

     
  • At 10:22 AM, Anonymous Bob Miller said…

    1. Changes in pronunciation happen with English, too, when people move to other regions of the country, or when they enter a new social class.

    2. With shul members coming from widely differing backgrounds, it's hard for a shul to define and enforce any standard pronunciation.

    3. More often than not, the "offenders" are not trying to put on airs to impress us, but think they're doing the right thing.

     

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