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Monday, December 17, 2007

Dumbo and the Mad Dog

There is nothing quite as entertaining as sports radio on a Monday after both the Giants and the Jets lose. Today was such a day and, even better, for reasons beyond the scope of this post, I got to listen to much more of it than usual.

Two topics were particularly amusing. The first, a discussion of whther it was right of Giants season ticket holders to either not attend last nights game or leave early (I am told there were only about 15,000 fans left after half time).

Why this topic needs more than 1 minute of discussion is beyond me. At best, Giants Stadium is colder than the North Pole. Anyone stupid dumb enough to attend an 8:30 p.m. game when the wind-chill factor was in the single digits deserves what he gets. Enough said.

The second topic was priceless. For an hour, Mike Franscesa was arguing that the Giants should not rest any of their players in week 16 when they play the undefeated Patriots even if they've clinched a playoff spot. Something along the lines of "it's a historic game and they owe it to the fans, blah blah blah".

This was perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say on sports radio and that is saying a mouthful. A coach's job is to prepare his team for meaningful games. If he can rest his beat-up players for a week ahead of a playoff game, he would be guilty of coaching malpractice not to do so. (Even the usually dopey Chris Russo didn't agree with him). Mike is an idiot.

Finally, on the Fantasy front, Team Moc is about to beat Team Akiva in a head-to-head match for first place. My team actually stunk, but his team stunk worse.

The next two weeks are very sketchy because so many teams have clinched playoff spots and have little to gain by playing their premium players. It is very difficult to choose the right players. I am actually counting on the Great Joe Schick to do me a favor and defeat Akiva next week so that I can wrap of the title.



  • At 10:23 PM, Blogger nyfunnyman said…

    ook, no one cares for Mike's arrogance, but he's right, but maybe not for his reasons. there is zero evidence (and in fact there is a slight negative evidence) that resting your players- who are healthy- leads to better play the next week. couple that with the fact that the Giants are 2-7 in their last 9 weeks coming after byes and he has a great point. plaxico should rest his ankle- if the rest will help, but everyone else should play, especially b/c i'll be there.
    i also agree with him, to a lesser degree about ruining the pats perfect season- as a giant fan i would love it.

  • At 9:40 AM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    If he had limited his argument to the proposition that resting healthy players has no impact on the next game, I could have heard the argument (I disagree, but it isn't idiotic). But he wasn't just talking about resting his healthy players. He was talking specifically about playing Plaxico and other banged up guys who could clearly benefit from a week off.

    And, winning the Patriot's game should not be in the equation at all. WADR, that's fan nonsense. A coach has an obligation to focus on meaningful games, not breaking up another team's perfect season.

  • At 11:20 AM, Blogger Frum From Booth said…

    Mike makes no sense here, the Giants should do whatever they feel will help them play their best game in the wild card game. If they want to play their starters (minus Plaxico) for a half to get them some work in go right ahead. Mike just wants to see the Pats have a hard time to go undefeated but that's not the Giants' Job. (As much as I would like to see the Pats lose, being a Jets fan myself)I'm a little sick of the whole Mike and Mad Dog shpeel, prefer TMKS.

  • At 12:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I AGREE 100%

  • At 8:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mike F usually makes some sense. He's way off on this one.

  • At 9:25 PM, Blogger nyfunnyman said…

    TMKS is so unintelligent, he knows baseball, that's about it.
    MO- I was listening on and off monday, as I do most days, and I wasn't sure that Mike was insisting on Plaxico playing- if you heard 100% he was insisting on that - then I agree with you re- Plaxico. (btw- how sports talk show hosts have evolved into Drs. is beyond me. Once in a while you will hear a Dr. saying- he can play- the injury won't get any worse- and now everytime someone is injured every talk sho hosts assumes the injury won't get worse when they play.)

    however, i will still argue with you and back up mike- re: the historic game. What do you think would mean more for Coughlin (agreed he is coming back- almost 3 straight playoff years)? a win in TB, or a win against NE and a loss at TB? 5 years from now - would u remember that we lost to TB/Seattle in the playoffs- assuming it wasn't a San Fran disaster- or would you more remember beating NE? Maybe it is fan nonsense- but that's what he was talking about. He usually doesn't- he usually talks from his perch, but he was talking from the fans perspective and he even polled the others in the newsroom at the time- what would they rather have (divided)- thus, he was trying to act from a fan's perspective at that point. whether coughlin/reese agree with him/me is debatable.

  • At 11:12 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    The fans perspective is meaningless. The coach's job is to win the meaningful games. The New England game has no meaning beyond what fans assign it. The playoff game, on the other hand, has great meaning. His job is to advance through the playoffs, not to win a meaningless 16th game solely because the team he happens to be playing is undefeated.

    Who cares what people will say in 5 years? Certainly not his bosses. They would gladly trade a loss to New England for a win in the wild card.

    Finally, it is clear to anyone that Plaxico could use the week off. You don't need to be a doctor to see that. Yet, Mike said that "he's played 15 games, why shouldn't he play the 16th?". That's just plain idiotic.

  • At 4:40 PM, Blogger Frum From Booth said…

    NYfunnyman - Michael Kay knows a lot more than baseball. i'm not saying he knows as much as Francessa but he's a lot more pleasant to listen to. (and you don't have to deal with mad dog)

  • At 6:05 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    I actually think Michael Kay is even more insufferable than MATMD.

  • At 9:36 PM, Blogger nyfunnyman said…

    agree- Michael Kaye is the worst. once we're on the subject of NY Sports Radio, i would like to note my souring of Joe B. I used to listen to him all the time when he was on the overnight- ( i would finish learning 1230 and 1am he'd be on- awesome). he's had some awesome rants against his sports franchises, but now that o hear him much more i realize he's not that intelligent. sure he knows a lot of history, but his constant whining is getting to me. i hate how he ripped off mad dog's opening, and it's clear that Evan has much more insightful comments than Joe B does. basically you could some up Joe B like this:
    - none of his sports teams will win a championship in his lifetime
    -the jets should be in queens
    - if anyone from the steroid era gets into the HOF, so should pete rose.

    i recently, when i can, have started to listen to max kellerman, who is a bit annoying but really smart, makes intelligent comments, and is somewhat humerous. The only thing i have against 1050 is they are on for like 16 minutes an hour (i like mike & mike as well, but when you're on for a total of 29 minutes an hour, and you take a break from :16-:26 it's really hard to keep the listeners. boomer and carton are a great alternative.

    finally on the sports talk radio: i know the author of this blog doesn't like to mike f, but at least mike and the dog are entertaining, they know a ton of history, mike is usually accurate with his depiction of sports, especially the local scene- but they are only like this when together. they can not be by themselves- each one is brutal. sunday 9-12 is brutal with just mike- he sounds so fake, the only decent thing going on there is when he has simms on for 20 minutes.

    that's my take for now on NY sports talk radio- the best city in the country for sports talk radio btw.

    don't get me started on the mess at the garden.

  • At 12:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    stephen A smith is literally the most annoying person alive. Just thought id throw that in there.Brad

  • At 1:45 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…


    I actually agree with you about Mike and the Dog. I don't mind listening because they are generally ok and they attract great guests.

    I also agree re Mike and Mike. I like them alot but the commercials can kill you.

    Brad. I would wholeheartedly agree except that Steve Sommers can give Stephen A. Smith a run for his money.

    And, this is me here and you there, signing off.

  • At 12:15 PM, Blogger Frum From Booth said…

    1050 vs. WFAN

    Ok the morning show is no comparison Mike and Mike are so much better than Boomer and Carton. Carton reminds me of Mad dog but not quite as smart. Boomer hardly stands up to him when he says his outlandish opinions and they aren't that enjoyable.
    Mike and Mike have great flow even when someone else is sitting in. (Greenberg carries the show though)

    Steve Summers was great all those years ago no the overnight but it's just very dry at 7:00 pm. (and he's not that knowledgeable he's just funny when he annoys Icelander fans.)

    Joe B was also better on the overnight but he's ok.

    Max Kellerman think's he's always right but that's part of his shtick. It's a decently entertaining show.

    Stephen A is unbearable to listen to, everything is race related and he's really annoying when he yells.

    Can we please Fire Isiah already, the chant doesn't reallly flow nicely and he's a horrible Coach,Gm/Person. (was a great player though)


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