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Monday, May 05, 2008

More on WQ

I thank my readers for their attention to the important issue raised in this post. Special thanks to those who offered formulas for calculating the WQ.

I'm inclined to go with the Weirdness Points formula (basically, the sum of a person's WP is equal to the number of normal people it would take to offset such person's weirdness).

I only have one hesitation.

The WP formula is, admittedly subjective.

You might think that I am concerned that we will, over time, like university professors, suffer from weirdness inflation, giving higher weirdness grades than people really deserve.

On the contrary. I am concerned about exactly the opposite.

I am concerned that after going to shul with certain people for ten years or more, the WQ committee will UNDERVALUE their respective weirdness. Indeed, one gets used to profound weirdness over time and is prone to discounting the severity of the weirdness.

We will have to be careful about this issue. Perhaps we should appoint a weirdness ombudsman to keep us honest.

(A final word. Lest you accuse me of sexism, while I use the masculine pronoun when describing weirdos, rest assured that there are quite a few female members who are likely to accumulate very high WPs.)

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30 Comments:

  • At 9:53 PM, Blogger tnspr569 said…

    May I volunteer myself for such a position? Even for one time, perhaps? I'm very curious. I've heard that one should definitely experience daavening at your shul at least once.

     
  • At 1:18 AM, Blogger Still Wonderin' said…

    Once isn't enough ... You need a few weeks to get a handle on what's weird and what isn't.

    Your first time at Aish, you'll either be overawed by the aesthetics, no talking, and decorous davening, or fully convinced that we're all card carrying members of the cult.

    As you start getting used to the shul and to being ignored, the weirdos become considerably more apparent.

     
  • At 1:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    No offense to the artist but the mural in the lobby might be the cause. Its holocaust Warsaw on acid.
    Really weird

     
  • At 6:45 AM, Blogger Still Wonderin' said…

    "No offense to the artist but the mural in the lobby might be the cause. Its holocaust Warsaw on acid.
    Really weird."


    Sure ... because there was nothing oddly surreal to express about the Warsaw Ghetto.

     
  • At 8:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The first time I attended Aish I was curious to see what's this all about? I heard so much about the "weirdos" but I had to see for myself. Well, my life hasn't been the same since my first visit. I believe I was snatched that very first Shabbos! At the kiddush, a "friend" of mine offered me a "new" kind of drink that I wasn't familiar with. Well wouldn't you know it, I took a drink and it tasted so much like Koolaid....and the rest is history.

     
  • At 9:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    1. I take offense to the last thought re the female weirdos. An obvious reference to "the laugher's" 2. If using the clothing point system suggested I think the chief at his childrens wedding with a tie would score a 6.

     
  • At 2:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To the last poster...On pint #1 I can asure you, you are completely wrong. And if you had a clue and knew that the tie was worn solely sue to a request by his mother, you would realize their is no weirdness there at all. Even if you were right, we can all live without the chutzpadik manner in which you posted your views.

     
  • At 3:05 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    anon 9:09 illustrates why determining WQ cannot be left in the hands of stam anyone. It's not about clothes, it's not about ties and it's certainly not about laughers. It's much, much more complex.

    And anon 2:33 is absolutely right; the "chief", as you so disrespectfully put it, lost the tie at his first opportunity after the ceremony. In the meantime, he made his mom happy. Nothing weird about that.

     
  • At 7:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ANON 9:09 RESPONDS:
    My point being.. its the clash of modes of dress that generate the raised eyebrow in any other circle other than ours. Tie and Biba hat, or gartel and wedding band, bekicha and sirugee are like the rav kook and rav tzodick that get quoted in the same sentence. No chutzpah intended, My apologies for choosing the wrong euphimism.

     
  • At 11:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Will there be a separate formula for the WQ at chasunas- like interesting dance moves in the middle of the circle or bringing your own instruments like Bongos or sabotaging a wedding to sing Rabbi Akiva to the father of the choson and forget about the choson or the lack of ties but with regular suits?

    Keep in mind- that's often when the outside world sees the shul!

     
  • At 11:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "No offense to the artist but the mural in the lobby might be the cause. Its holocaust Warsaw on acid.
    Really weird."

    Sure ... because there was nothing oddly surreal to express about the Warsaw Ghetto.

    6:45 AM

    I don't know what you mean about sure... I just am saying that when you are talking about weird, that the first thing that hits you when you walk in.
    It's not something I'd want in my house. Its not nice to look at.
    If it is there to make you sad ,then i would like it to be done in a classier manner.
    its random sad . thats what i mean by Warsaw on acid.

     
  • At 1:12 AM, Anonymous stillwonderin' said…

    "If it is there to make you sad ,then i would like it to be done in a classier manner."

    Let's assume the purpose is to make people sad as they walk into the shul ... what do you recommend would be a classier way to make people sad?

     
  • At 8:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Did "your shul" say hallel this morning? How did the saying (or not saying) of hallel affect the people who rank high on the WQ?

     
  • At 8:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    what does saying Hallel have anything to do with WQ? How 'bout an intelligent comment (and in case you're wondering I didn't say Hallel so it's not like I'm personally offended)

     
  • At 9:26 AM, Blogger David said…

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  • At 10:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    8:26 chiming in:

    It's my understanding that those who score high in WP dress like charedim/chasidim on shabbos but are otherwise modern. So I'm curious if any of those individuals make a stink about hallel.

     
  • At 3:30 PM, Anonymous stillwonderin' said…

    "So I'm curious if any of those individuals make a stink about hallel."

    Bonus WQ points if they insist on saying Hallel!!

     
  • At 4:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    TO SAYS OR NOT TO SAY

    WHY IS THERE A חג שמח
    ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS WEEKS NEWSLETTER. ON THE CHAGIM I KEEP, HALLEL IS SAID WITH A BROCHA.

    CAN'T THE SHUL TAKE ONE STANCE?

     
  • At 4:48 PM, Anonymous still wonderin' said…

    ". ON THE CHAGIM I KEEP, HALLEL IS SAID WITH A BROCHA.

    So which chagim do you keep?

     
  • At 11:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    A classier way to make people said would be a black and white picture of an empty shul or a huge pile of siddurim collected by the Nazis. Perhaps a powerful Roman vishniac photo.
    Something big enough to see but small enough to maintain the dignity and respect of a shul.
    A mural ? It looks like a high school yom hashoa project.
    Its modern art which can be undignified.Having a pictire of the Imrei Emes on the same wall as storm troopers is uh, borderline offensive.
    Most importantly it might be meaningful but its still mighty ugly and scary.
    Trippy scary.Hence not helping to chill the weirdness.

     
  • At 7:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ". ON THE CHAGIM I KEEP, HALLEL IS SAID WITH A BROCHA."

    is purim considered a chag?

     
  • At 12:17 PM, Blogger Still Wonderin' said…

    "A classier way to make people said would be a black and white picture of an empty shul or a huge pile of siddurim collected by the Nazis. Perhaps a powerful Roman vishniac photo.
    Something big enough to see but small enough to maintain the dignity and respect of a shul.
    A mural .... Hence not helping to chill the weirdness."


    Welcome, my friend, to the world of Art!! Your opinions about how a picture looks, makes you feel, adds or detracts from the milieu, and the level of thought pictures stimulate is the elusive goal and the exact point of artist for time immemorial.

    Proof the picture in the Aish Kodesh lobby is doing EXACTLY what it was placed there to do.
    Enjoy!!!

     
  • At 3:40 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    SW

    I'm with you. As far as art is concerned, ailu, v'ailu.

    And, btw, how did this post about weirdos get highjacked by someone with a beef about our mural?

     
  • At 3:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    We got into this cause weird murals add to weirdness.

     
  • At 10:46 AM, Anonymous Mr. Litvish said…

    Wow, these posts are geshmak for a Litvak to read. Makes me feel vindicated. Look what Hassidism has wrought.

    MoC - maybe the off the charts WQ there will make you into a Litvak someday? Do you at least understand and appreciate Litvaks more now?

     
  • At 9:27 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    mr. litvish

    no, there are plenty of weird litvaks. some even come to the shul. They just express their weirdness in a different way.

     
  • At 11:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    why does aish continue to use the back of the shul as an ezra's nashim? The shul is packed and there is an ezra's nashim upstairs.
    maybe you would be less affected by weirdness if there was more room. Then the weirdness would be further from your seat.
    - just wonderin'

     
  • At 4:08 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    the upstairs is not an ezras nashim. it's a bais medrash that doubles as an overflow space. It isn't graded so the sight lines stink.

     
  • At 10:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    How did this post become the "What I don't like or understand about Aish" post? THE EZRAS NOSHIM????

     
  • At 2:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mochassid started this about wierdness in his shul. That is a natural lead into the discussion of what factors may add to weirdness (trippy) mural and how this weirdness may have less of an effect on Mochassid( giving him some room and distance from weirdness by dealing with the lack of seating) hence the ezras nashim. Its a straight line flow of conversation.

     

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