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Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Have You Seen These Men Lowlifes?

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  • At 11:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You ought to be more careful about how you label your rants. There is a REAL community-wide problem concerning the number of agunot. Most of us recognize this. However, each unfortunate case has it's specific issues that none of us are privy to. Your ugly label may not apply in every instance.

  • At 1:35 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…

    I have little sympathy for any man who doesn't deliver a get, no matter what the circumstances but I concede that it is not always black and white. I this case, however, these men have been outed by the Rabbinical authorities so I have absolutely no sympathy.

  • At 1:35 PM, Blogger treppenwitz said…

    Ignore anonymous. Every last man who refuses to give his wife a get (once they are splitsville, of course) deserves to have have his legs broken.

    I have actually been zocheh to convince one such miscreant of the error of his ways. He gave her the get the next week.

  • At 1:36 PM, Blogger treppenwitz said…

    BTW, that's a neat trick you did with the word crossed out in the title. Where's you learn that? ;-)

  • At 1:53 PM, Blogger MoChassid said…



    I've been waiting since our dinner to do that!

    And, btw, pressuring and humiliating a man's family can be an effective strategy. I know of a case where a lowlife refused to give his ex wife a get for 16 years. Finally, the community organized and started to harrass this guy's parents. The get was finally delivered last year.

  • At 5:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    A "not so far fetched scenario"

    A wife cheats on her husband. He files for divorce. They live in a "no fault" State. Her lawyer is better than his. She gets the house, custody of kids, and 1/2 of everything. He gets visitation rights, and the opportunity to write a fat monthly check to the woman who cheated on him. He refuses to give a get.

    Who is the "miscreant"?

  • At 11:11 PM, Blogger treppenwitz said…

    anon... She could do worse than that and still deserve a get. What you are suggesting is that if a guy gets a bad deal he should be able to use halacha as a weapon to extort his wife (or at last punish her).

    I say that halacha is not meant to be used as a bludgeon.

    But sometimes a bludgeon works nicely as a bludgeon. :-)

  • At 12:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hmmm... Is that the same halacha that states she was "oveir" a "yahoraig v'al yaavor"? And under certain circumstances she would actually have been put to death by a court of rabbis? Presumably she would not be collecting alimony or maintaining custody at that point :-)

  • At 12:45 PM, Blogger ThePeoplesChamp said…

    I like that last Anonymous guy.
    Each situation is different, but in defense of MoC, these miscreants were "confirmed miscreants" by the authorities (now, who are the authorities is a whole different ball game.......)

  • At 8:14 PM, Blogger Nofia Vered Shem-Tov said…

    There are cases where the men get screwed.

    I know a man whose wife refused a get in lieu of gouging him. She then told everyone her refused to give it to her and he was shunned. is that fair?


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